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29 September 2014

Zionist Rhetoric infiltrates White Nationalism

This is an interesting piece of twisty rhetoric that I've seen disciples of Bob Whitaker (BUGSters) and a few others use.

Golda Meir
The rhetorical formula, "They hate Jews more than they love their own ..." can be found in Zionist-Jew propaganda going back many years. It's adapted from a statement attributed to Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir (1973). It's a way of saying that people who have a conflict with Jews -- foremost the Palestinians and populations of the various Arab states that have had wars with the State of Israel -- are pointlessly self-destructive and therefore crazy. It dismisses out of hand the possibility that there might be some justified grievance.


It is a characteristically Jewish piece of rhetoric, insofar as the Jews alone among peoples are in the habit of claiming that they are targeted with irrational hatred.

Recently this rhetoric has cropped up in what is supposed to be White Nationalist media. This is an attempt to trace that development and to show who introduced this form of ad hominem argument into the WN milieu and who has taken it up.

Jack Wheeler, an aide to President George W. Bush, may have been the first to adapt it for use against political dissenters within the United States, specifically against conservative Republicans who disagreed with fighting foreign wars for the Jewish State.


This rhetoric seems to have made its way into White Nationalism via a route that you can see traced in the examples below. The course of development, roughly, is this: first it was adapted by Zionist Republicans to attack conservative Republicans; then it was used by Jews on the fringe of White Nationalism to attack White Nationalists; then finally it was adopted by a few individuals within White Nationalism to attack other White Nationalists.


"What would drive conservatives to such craziness? Let’s not pussy-foot around and face the core ugliness squarely. The cause is anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism trumps patriotism to America. Hatred of Israel causes a desire for America’s defeat. Blame-America-First Conservatives hate Israel more than they love America, they hate Jews more than they love their country." -- Jack Wheeler (attacking Pat Buchanan and Robert Pape), 12 July 2005. http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/1598/126/


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"Hitler’s two biggest complaints were as follows IMO:

1) There are not enough Muslims. These Muslims hate the Jews really well.
2) Whites are not ethnocentric enough.
"These New Age fools answered his prayers. We now have a common sense of oppression among Whites which is unprecedented. Of course, they hate jews more than they love us……" -- BUGSter Tim, 15 January 2008. http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2...#comment-41506


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"Recently I got involved in an argument in the comments to the Brussels Journal blog. One of the commenters insisted that Jews have too much power in his country, that they support immigration, and therefore they are the main reason for Islamization.

"I answered that it is also possible to explain why anti-Semites cause Islamization. Namely, they hate Jews more than they love Europe; so they invite Muslims in to do away with their Jews. He was insulted and answered that he personally did not invite anybody." -- Dimitri K., "Gates of Vienna" 14 April 2008. http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...amization.html


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"Correct. And why is this so? Because, as I’ve said so many times, the anti-Semites hate the Jews more than they love the things that they profess to love.

"It’s analogous to Arafat and the “peace” process. In 2000 he turned down the offer from Ehud Barak to establish a Palestinian state on 97 percent of the West Bank, by far the best deal the Palestinians could ever hope to get from Israel. Why? Because Arafat didn’t want a Palestinian state and peace with Israel. He wanted to continue to wage a war of annihilation against Israel. That’s what he lived for. Had he accepted peace with Israel, his life would have become meaningless to him.

"Similarly, the anti-Semites really have no positive beliefs, they have no vision of a good society they want to achieve. The things they profess to believe in, such as white preservation and stopping nonwhite immigration, are in reality merely fronts to justify their anti-Semitism. It is their opposition to the Jews that is the organizing idea of their lives, and without it their lives would become meaningless to them.

"For example, Kevin MacDonald ... " -- Lawrence Auster. 16 July 2010. http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/016984.html


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"aren't you swell...willing to join with avowed enemies of the west because they hate jews(as a jew myself i want to preserve the west and european culture) as much as you do. and that is why you will forever be marginalized and ridiculed. you hate jews more than you love yourself!" -- self-proclaimed Jew posting on Stormfront, 14 March 2011. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t32...76#post9040068


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"But some people hate Jews more than they love their own people. They hate Jews so much that they want them to be harmed, even if it harms us too—even if it harms us more." -- Greg Johnson, 5 August 2011. http://www.counter-currents.com/2011...h-nationalism/


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"I hope this convinces those (few of) you on the racial right that started out having at least a little bit of sympathy for the Occutards that they’re hopeless. Otherwise, I’ll have to conclude what I have always thought about some of you, that you reallly hate Jews more than you love Whites." -- anonymous conservative blogger on a former C of CC url, 21 February 2012 https://countenance.wordpress.com/20...tient-prisons/


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"The other problem is that some people who talk about Israel endlessly don’t really care about Whites at all, they just hate Jews. From my limited experience, they do more harm than good. They will step all over good pro-White points in order to get the thrill of verbally insulting Jews." -- BUGSter Jason, 7 May 2012. http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2...#comment-56254


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"Unfortunately, many so-called “white nationalists” hate the Jews more than they love their people. I don’t need to point out how psychologically sick that is." -- Greg P (frequent commenter on Greg Johnson's blog), 23 July 2012. http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82534


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"In other words, don’t fall for people who hate Jews more than they love Whites." -- BUGSter Jason, 31 August 2012. http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-87624


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"The Jew-centrics are basically only anti-Jewish, not pro-White, in my experience. They hate Jews more than they love Whites (if they like Whites at all)." -- BUGSter Jason, 21 September 2012. http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2...#comment-58196


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Obviously you hate Jews and Americans more than you love white people and more than you care about white ethnonationalism. -- Greg Johnson, 4 March 2014. http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/03/the-ukraine-crisis/#comment-45661


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"That is doubly ironic, since you appear to be one of those people who hates Jews more than he loves whites." -- Greg Johnson, 4 March 2014. http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...#comment-45665

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"But some people hate Jews more than they love their own people. They hate Jews so much that they want them to be harmed, even if it harms us too—even if it harms us more." -- Greg Johnson, 23 July 2014 http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...-palestinians/


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So, this twisted form of rhetoric, which comes from Zionism and is especially used by Zionists -- usually with Palestinians or Arabs more generally as the ones who hate Jews more than they love "their own children," "their own lives," etc. -- can be documented within White Nationalism first as used by BUGSter "Tim" in 2008; then in 2010 by Lawrence Auster, a Jew on the fringe of WN who said however that he had uttered it "many times"; then it was used by an anonymous Jew posting on Stormfront in 2011. Of those three early users of this verbal formula on the racial right, we have information that two, Auster and the Stormfront poster, were Jews, while BUGSter "Tim" is unknown. It turns out, however, that BUGSter Tim was an admirer of Lawrence Auster, commending Auster to other BUGSters on 24 August 2006, a few months after his use of the verbal formula. Thus it appears likely that the influence of Lawrence Auster was the key factor in getting White Nationalists to mouth a Zionist slogan that discourages criticism of Jews.

Since 2011 it has been used three times (that I could find) by BUGSter "Jason" and four times by Greg Johnson (the last time recycling a three-year-old essay by giving it a new title).

What kind of White Nationalist tries to make his fellow White Nationalist interlocutor shut up by calling him, in effect, a crazy Jew-hater -- while paraphrasing Golda Meir?   


I have a couple of considerations to offer in regard to how to answer that question.

The first is the revelation from Jimmy Marr, a recent collaborator with the BUGSters, that Bob Whitaker's "handler" is a woman married to a Jew or part-Jew who is also a BUGSter. The BUGS organization, says Marr, is under Jewish influence.




The second is that Greg Johnson, the other ostensible White Nationalist prominently using this rhetoric, has written an essay called "Dealing with the Holocaust," which argues that the central piece of Jewish and anti-White propaganda, the Holohoax, must not be challenged. Not getting involved in historical revisionism oneself is a matter of personal choice, but for a supposed White Nationalist to go out on a limb telling others that they should not question the Jewish Holocaust myth is extraordinary.

Johnson also happens to take the eccentric position that White Nationalists "have an interest in the continued existence of the State of Israel" (Greg Johnson, "White Nationalism and Jewish Nationalism," Counter-Currents, 5 August 2011).

You decide what it means. 

In what may be a related matter, Nick Griffin of the British National Party reveals that he was offered money by Zionists to stop discussing certain topics: How Patriotism is Co-Opted and Misdirected

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11 comments:

Tom Metzger said...

Reminds me of Robert Welches JBS approach. If you didnt concentrate totally on the Communist menace you were a neutralizer. If you fought for the race you are a neutralizer. If you criticized the Jews you were a Neutralizer It was all in a booklet called the NEUTRALIZERS

Organon tou Ontos said...

Jews and philosemites want us unable to articulate interests of any sort without incorporating theirs. And sometimes, it reaches a grotesquely condescending level. I recall a video shared in a forum that dealt with Muslim immigrant violence in France. Some Israeli Jew got on their and remarked, "Finally, Europeans understand what we're going through!" A remarkable comment, given Jewish responsibility in our racial decline and the fact that Israel has exacerbated the problem with immigrants in Europe.

Epsilon Delta said...

Wow, this must be embarrassing for Greg Johnson. I always thought of him as a sort of intellectual with integrity.

Hadding said...

Epsilon Delta, I honestly don't pay much attention to Greg Johnson. I almost never look at his blog. But from the limited exposure and interaction that I've had with him, the main fact that has struck me is that he lies a lot.

With any luck people will realize that he is not trustworthy.

wretchedWhiterabbit said...

You're missing the point. It's not about those of us who are aware of nonWhite influence peddling. It's about the critical mass of otherwise Normal White people, who have been conditioned to resist what they interpret as "racism", "anti-(pick a group)", or "hate". They have been brainwashed. We must get NORMAL WHITE PEOPLE acting in their own interests against antiWhites, rather than defending the interests of ANY nonWhite against what they have been conditioned to view as "hate".

Hadding said...

Yes, "wretched White Rabbit," I am already familiar with BUGS' self-justfications.

Apparently not one of you BUGSters ever heard Schopenhauer's observation about the stages in the acceptance of a new truth: first it is ridiculed; then it is violently opposed; then it is accepted as self-evident.

Now, in a message such as Whitaker's Mantra that's calculated to provoke no opposition, what you have isn't even as daring as standard conservative talk-radio fare. Conservative talk-radio will touch on topics like Black crime occasionally -- which you BUGSters treat as an entirely taboo subject!

In effect, the BUGS mission seems to have become reining White racialists back into the kosher conservative corral.

Whitaker, as a lifelong Republican, never really left that corral. All that Whitaker has done with his Mantra is to press conservative crytpo-racist rhetoric to its limits. Whitaker's Mantra is essentially a complaint of reverse racism, amped up into a complaint of reverse genocide.

I don't see why it's necessary to stay within those limits, when Schopenhauer tells us that the path to changing minds leads through a period of upsetting people.

When one considers that the most aggressive of the BUGSters in evangelizing this cowardice is "Jason" a.k.a. Laura, the wife of a Jew, the likelihood that this is not necessarily what's best for Whites becomes self-evident.

wretchedWhiterabbit said...

You're still missing the point. It's not about racialists hating anyone more than they love Whites. White racialists are already on our side; we don't NEED racialist to love Whites; they already do that.
This is about the mass of demoralized Whites who will resist what they have been conditioned to view as "hate". When you say "jew", someone else says "antisemite", and that is the ONLY thing the demoralized White will hear.
You simply will not win them over until you get them to see Whites, rather than nonWhites, as the victims...White genocide.

Hadding said...

"wretched White Rabbit," you are truly a brainwashed cultist unable to think outside of his tiny box.

We all know that you meet opposition if you say things that aren't supposed to be said. The point is -- as Schopenhauer indicated -- if you do it anyway, the resistance eventually subsides.

Is the reason why BUGSters call themselves rabbits that they are scared like little rabbits?

Hadding said...
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Russell James said...

Hello Hadding,

Thanks for the heads-up on the "white-out" problem on Praxis Mag's version of your article: http://praxis-mag.blogspot.com/2014/10/zionist-rhetoric-infiltrates-white.html.

It should be fixed now. If you have any other concerns, please let me know.

Best,

Russell James

igodom said...

This 'Jason' character gets around... not always with the same name but you detect the stench after a while.

Another movement similar to 'BUGS' is the Neo-Reaction movement (apparently their aim is diagnosing the problem with Western Civilization) but guess who is 'off-limits'.

It's ridiculous how pervasive they are.