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16 May 2009

"Buchanan's Holocaust Denial Forum"

President Reagan lays a wreath at Bitburg Cemetery, Germany, 1985. Press Secretary Pat Buchanan had urged Reagan to visit the cemetery and wrote Reagan's speech calling the German war-dead "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps." Regardless of how this may have been meant, Jews did not appreciate the manifest lack of special reverence for their Holocaust Myth.

A few weeks ago one of my internet contacts pointed out to me a thread about Holocaust Revisionism on the forum at Buchanan.org, because I am well informed on the subject and might have much to contribute. I found that the posters on the forum were not very well informed and indeed there was a lot of educating that I could do there.

For the first three or four weeks, although there was much disagreement, there was almost nobody saying that I should not be allowed to say what I was saying. The only individual who expressed rage at expressions of Holocaust skepticism was a Jew, steve33, who responded with clichéd insults about trailer parks etc. that I ignored, since his demeanor discredited him much more than his insults harmed me. Interestingly, some of the posters on the forum that had been arguing against my position asked the administrator, Linda Muller, that steve33 be removed from the forum. Linda refused to do that, saying that if a Holocaust skeptic is allowed to post then somebody on the other side should be allowed to post as well, notwithstanding the irrational nature of steve33's contributions.

A few days ago, somebody called Andrea Freiboden who had never posted on the Revisionist thread started a thread with the theme that "Holocaust Denial" should not be discussed, because, she claimed, the Holocaust was an indisputable fact; rather, she said, more was to be accomplished by talking about "Bolshocaust Denial," whitewashing of Communist mass-murders.

I had some criticisms of this position. In the first place, Andrea Freiboden would not explain why she believed that the Holocaust was indisputable; she simply restated the same unsupported assertions over and over. In the second place, it is unnecessary cowardice, I would say, to avoid discussing an issue on an internet forum because it supposedly wouldn't go over well rhetorically. Finally, Bolshevism is ancient history and irrelevant -- Who is overtly trying to get Americans to embrace Communism these days? -- whereas the Holocaust Story is crucial to Zionism, which has everything to do with unnecessary Middle-East wars and probably the bankrupting of the US economy.

On 11 May a self-identified Jew with the username Dr. Remulak chimed in on the three-day-old Bolshocaust thread, commending Andrea Freiboden in a rather exaggerated way. Andrea had expressed hostility toward Jews, but for the Jew this was no problem; "Holocaust Denial" on the other hand, totally unacceptable.

The next day, 12 May, Buchanan.org was down for a while and when it came back up, the forum was gone.

It was rather obvious that the forum had been removed because of somebody's reaction to my posts.

There was a third thread on which I had made some controversial remarks, not related to the Holocaust. On a thread commenting on Pat Buchanan's essay "Jim Crow Liberalism," I had pointed out that Buchanan was endorsing the liberal view of Jim Crow Laws, which had the rational purpose of protecting White people from various problems associated with Negroes. Endorsing liberal assumptions, I said, is longterm ideological suicide. This led into a discussion of lynching, which, I was pleased to inform a totally clueless and propaganda-saturated Canadian and Australian, was generally done in response to violent crime, not just out of racial meanness. I said that Black criminality has always been a serious problem and that due process has never been able to cope with it.

It seemed to me however that the removal of the forum was more likely due to my posts about the Holocaust, because there is a well known pattern of organized pressure being used to suppress questioning of the Holocaust Myth. For example, there is the current pressure on Facebook, which I understand has already resulted in a few Facebook users being removed.

Later I found out about Menachem Z. Rosensaft's complaint in the New York Daily News. (Rosensaft is General Counsel of the World Jewish Congress, having been appointed in March 2009.)

It was a bad decision to take down the forum, because instead of an unmoderated forum with one thread called "Discussion about 'the Holocaust'" with people posting on both sides of the question, and another thread with the theme, Don't talk about the Holocaust!, and dozens of threads having no relation to the topic one way or the other, it became, in the words of the Jewish Telegraph Agency, "Buchanan's Holocaust Denial Forum," and, the forum having disappeared, nobody could check to see how absurd this characterization was.

It's also too bad that the forum didn't stay up so that people could see how Rosensaft cherrypicked the less credible statements from the thread. I think that the most egregious comments that Rosensaft quoted were from Schnapps, whose username is not without basis. Although I was by far the main revisionist on the forum, only one of those ostensibly representative statements was posted by me, the one about the Holocaust Myth being exclusively of Jewish origin, which is well supported in its original context, Professor Robert Faurisson's 1986 essay, "How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss."

Taking the forum down says, We have something to hide. Leaving it up would have left Menachem Z. Rosensaft looking ridiculous to anyone who bothered to investigate. Taking it down made Buchanan look cowardly to supporters and guilty to critics.

The complaint about the forum was nit-picking, criticism based on a silly excuse rather than a real concern. Removing the forum will not reduce the attacks on Buchanan even a little. The Jews have accumulated a long list of perceived grievances against Buchanan that is the real basis of their hostility, and removing the forum from Buchanan.org will not change that.*

It was such an irrational decision to take the forum down, seemingly based on an exaggerated momentary panic -- which to me seems uncharacteristic of Buchanan -- that I am inclined to think that the decision was made not by Buchanan but by the website's owner and administrator Linda Muller. This looks like a female decision to me.
*What they call Buchanan's anti-Semitism seems to be really just a lack of special reverence for the Jews on Buchanan's part. Currently Jews are particularly irate over Buchanan's renewed defense of John Demjanjuk, who is to be tried as a war criminal in Germany even though he has already been tried and released due to lack of evidence in Israel. It does not take a Jew-hater to say that this is beyond unreasonable; it only takes somebody without any special reverence for the Jews and their Holocaust Myth, and that is Pat Buchanan.


cherring109 said...

Are you aware of Monster Beverage Corporations product "Java Monster: Russian" It is a Russian coffee flavored canned energy drink that on the side of the can the Russian Kremlin with the Communist Bolshevik Flag complete with Hammer and Sickle and above that the Socialist Red Star. This is sold at most gas stations and groceries stores across the country. This is sick, they are selling it to kids. And nobody cares. I want to start a boycott campaign but I need support. Would you be willing to help?

cherring109 said...

Whoops! I meant that the Communist Flag was depicted on the can. Simple typo.

Hadding said...

While I hate Communism, I don't really see overt Communism as a threat at this point, and anyway I think it's kind of a joke when the hammer and sickle appears on the can of a beverage called JAVA MONSTER. I'd much rather boycott Sony for putting an image of a White woman and a Negro in close proximity on their recordable CD and DVD packaging.

Beyond Good and Evil said...

Funny you mention Andrea Frieboden. I've talked to her a few times online and I think she is totally insane.

Hadding said...

"Totally insane" is one possibility. For most people, the Holocaust is a taboo question because of the desire to avoid appearing anti-Jew. Andrea Freiboden on the other hand clearly doesn't have that motive, since he/she/it directly criticizes Jews. Overt hostility of course doesn't bother organized Jewry one bit: it's useful to them, in fact, because it helps them to keep their sheep huddled in the flock. Likewise, Holocaust skepticism, insofar as it diffuses the perception that the world has done the Jews wrong, tends to dissolve Jewish solidarity. Overt anti-semitism, good for organized Jewry. Holocaust skepticism, bad for organized Jewry. Andrea Freiboden just happens in each case to favor and oppose according to what is good for organized Jewry. You do the math.